Some would also have you believe that these are nothing but worthless dregs of society, people whose lack of knowledge on the topic can only be topped by their inability to contribute anything meaningful to society.
In other words, business as usual in discussion of American politics. So pick one and prepare to be vilified.
To be completely honest, when I hear about protests in the U.S., I have an impulsively negative reaction. I just intrinsically don't like them. I know, an American who disdains protesting and yet pretends to basically understand and support democracy? And a JOURNALIST, no less? (For what it's worth, I also can't stand peanut butter, so I pretty obviously hate freedom and puppies.)
But the reason is that while I respect and will defend to the bitter end their right to protest, I am irritated, to a somewhat unwarranted degree, when people stand up and yell at other people without knowing what they are talking about, or while purposely taking a narrow-minded view; I presume them to be the kid with a D in the class that yet argues with the teacher the loudest. Readers know I prefer to recognize nuance and gray area. Proteters don't hold signs saying "Abortion may or may not be murder but still I think it's kinda wrong and I'm pretty sure God isn't a huge fan." The signs are usually much shorter.
And I'll reiterate; I know my cringe at protest -- aside from making DC an awkward place to live -- is an irrational aversion, like an awkward scene in a television show that you know is necessary to the plot and even kind of funny, but that still just makes you feel uncomfortable for the characters.
The point is my instinct is to sympathize -- even agree with -- with people that initially dismiss the protesters. And sure enough, most protesters don't have a clue what they are talking about. I wouldn't trust their judgement running a Dairy Queen, much less the U.S. economy. The Banks, just like the Politicians, while deserving of at least a good share of blame, are still somewhat easy scapegoats. Especially for the unemployed college graduate with a double-major in history and pot-smoking his parents paid six-figures for him to attain. I have lots of friends that have worked hard and found ways to make themselves valuable enough to someone to get jobs, and many of those friends are hardly sympathetic to a group without the self-awareness or knowledge to understand what they are even fighting against. In addition, the below picture pretty much sums up an incredibly fair view. And considering the sympathy for the movement you may rightfully perceive that I am about to put forth, the below photo should remind you that personal responsibility should not be thrown out the window, as it remains poignantly relevant criticism for probably more than a few protesters:
But of course it's not that simple. Most (UPDATE: probably should have said many here....see comments below) people, much less protesters, don't know what they are talking about in this arena. The "make up an archetype, find a few examples that confirm, and blast an entire crowd with it" is lazy. And it completely ignores the legitimacy behind the beef. Whether they can articulate the beef in a 15-page research paper is irrelevant; if a person uses a taser on a dog to make it do tricks, the dog doesn't have to be able to explain how electricity works to know that his master is a crappy person.
Also, lots of very intelligent people who could be contributing members to society AREN'T working. (Such as more than a few ex-Wall-Streeters.) And even those with a less profound grasp of their situation don't inherently deserve to suffer economically, and their anger at some of the proximate causes doesn't deserve to be dismissed on the technicality that they are part right but don't know how to say it.
As I've said before, banks were (maybe still are) out of control. In many cases they made loans they had good reason to believe wouldn't be paid back. They didn't care because they were selling those loans, and the way they were bundled confused some very stupid ratings agencies enough for them to rate them as safe. Suddenly some very large yet effectively illusory assets are floating around, home prices shoot up causing more crazy loans, and it basically blows up in everyone's faces. Despite the mistakes, government made the lenders whole out of either fear of economic collapse or corruption (at some very friendly interest rates -- if the government just rips them with some punitive rates the taxpayer gets a nice payday and banks get incentives not to do it again); debtors had to deal with the consequences of their mistakes. By the way, at this point we've long left the realm of rational free market economy, ultra-conservatives.
Corporations, especially in the banking sector, pay top executives tens of millions in severance packages after acting illegally or running the company into the ground. That's right, utter failure, abuse of power and illicit activity nets these people what would take a family earning a median household income 200 to 400 years to earn. So the whole "don't hate people because they're successful; it's MEAN" thing kind of misses the point. Mainly because it implies that the rich got that way through producing a benefit to society. Sure, many do. Many don't. And even for the ones that do, when is enough reward enough? Raising the issue isn't class warfare, it's a legitimate political/societal/moral/philosophical debate.
Corporations, especially in the banking sector, pay top executives tens of millions in severance packages after acting illegally or running the company into the ground. That's right, utter failure, abuse of power and illicit activity nets these people what would take a family earning a median household income 200 to 400 years to earn. So the whole "don't hate people because they're successful; it's MEAN" thing kind of misses the point. Mainly because it implies that the rich got that way through producing a benefit to society. Sure, many do. Many don't. And even for the ones that do, when is enough reward enough? Raising the issue isn't class warfare, it's a legitimate political/societal/moral/philosophical debate.
A major criticism is that the movement has no plan. And it says it doesn't want one. Fine. The downside to these groups, be it Tea Party or Wall Street, is that once you get powerful enough, someone is going to try to co-opt the movement for their own ends; they end up writing a plan once the movement has reached critical mass anyway, and a goal not to have one keeps the movement partially protected from that. But just because some unions join in doesn't negate the original premise. We still have to look at the core issue; can something be done in an economy leaving many behind and many others embarrassingly -- at times inexplicably -- wealthy.
In this Daily Show segment, Jon Stewart aptly points out that many of the critics of the protesters have missed the point: sure, many protesters don't have solutions to the problems for which they halt traffic. But neither do the politicians (can't pass any budget, much less one that decreases the deficit). Neither do pundits (yell and scream for ratings, generally avoiding to commit actual journalism). Neither do corporations (which despite surging profits, won't hire because of economic uncertainty stemming from the fact that too few people have jobs/disposable income). So ripping them for not having a solution, plan, or cohesive agenda seems like asking the kid how to fix the problem when his dad bought the fancy car and house that bankrupted him so that now he's feeding his family Cup-o-Noodles in the fancy new China bowls.
(In addition, the segment points out that many on Fox News praised the Tea Partiers for the same exact reasons they bashed the OWS movement. Also, a Tea Partier complains that OWS are breaking laws such as camping in places where its not allowed, something a Tea Partier -- named such for the "most celebrated act of destruction of property and vandalism in our country's history -- would never do. Oh, and Steve Doocy literally complains that he couldn't get to his steak dinner fast enough because of the people protesting income inequality. Priceless.)
Like the Tea Party, this movement's best hope of political movement actually to get co-opted by some people actually in power. Problem is, with a concrete message they actually have to articulate something, the specifics of which could cost them supporters, and on top of that the co-opting group could twist the message for their own end to the extent that it is no longer recognizable to it's original proponents (See: Ron Paul, much of the Tea Party).
But really, it's best hope of general success is to force us to have this conversation. Maybe, as we recognize blaming "Wall Street" is somewhat righteous but an oversimplification of the problem, we look closer at some underlying fundamental issues. Maybe more people will read articles like this, where both sides are forced to confront some basic realities they might find unpleasant. Yes, the rich pay the vast majority of taxes in this country, and yes, the taxation system is still somewhat progressive. And yes, the distribution of wealth has become more skewed, and in a consumer economy that poses serious problems, not to mention raises questions about whether a large number of people can really be worth a couple hundred times more than an average person, or whether they've found a way to game the system.
I'm not saying we should do exactly what these people suggest; that would be insane. I have no problem with some people being very rich (I'd prefer to know they produced something valuable to get that way, but baby steps). But as we argue over taxation and fixing the budget, it's important to think about "the one percent," what they do, and what is fair to ask of them. Do we throw the book at them and take it all? Of course not. But we have to recognize that we have the largest post-depression levels of income and wealth inequality right now (a path we've been on for decades; no fair blaming one administration), and that issue deserves some attention.
Nah, let's stick with the narrative where we argue whether they are Revolutionaries or Hippies; That'll get more people to watch.
"And sure enough, most protesters don't have a clue what they are talking about."
ReplyDeleteWhat evidence do you have for this statement? While it's true OWS may not have a coherent, unified message, you're being pretty dismissive when you assume "most" of them "don't have a clue."
Will
why all the bitching? if they represent 99%, then they should just run for office and nationalize the banks and their yummy profits.
ReplyDeleteif not, why would they try to isolate themselves from the 1% that runs shit?
will: since when do journalists need evidence?
Will, yes probably a sweeping over-generalization, but keep in mind, I also think that most people in general (including myself a lot of the time) have no idea what they are talking about.
ReplyDeleteHalf-joking aside, most probably should be many. And I think many is fair, considering I've been to a lot of protests of various types, and in general find a sound underlying message (which I thought I pretty clearly pointed out was the case here) and a lot of people chanting slogans they don't fully understand. Yet, hard to believe you read this and felt like I don't have some major sympathies to what they are doing.
Here is a good article getting to the ground level of the protests (Anonymous; THIS is journalism, where you go out, learn about situations, talk to people and report, as opposed to my piece, a blog post of commentary written off the top of my head from my couch with a few links of support): http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/occupy-la-this-is-what-civics-look-like/246557/. Linking it above, and certainly, it makes the comment you point out make me sound a bit like a dismissive jerk. So sorry for the word choice.
As for the 99% nationalizing banks or whatever you are talking about, I think you missed the point (and the link above clarifies this): The movement is about that underlying truth that money is intertwined with politics and big businesses don't play by the same rules as the rest of us, not a particular objective such as nationalizing banks or any other Left or Right leaning objectives (Yes, mostly left, but as the article says there are Ron Paul fans standing next to Communists in some of the protests).
The issue is the limited access in a political system that has become pretty closed off and more reliant on campaign contributions than voters; even with majority agreement on what to do the people don't get their will recognized. All you have to do once in power is run a PR campaign to convince your (probably polarized district gerrymandered for one of the two parties) that the guy from the other party is worse. Which you do with campaign funds from the special interests funding your campaign and lobbying you regularly in DC. So the 99% don't all agree on the degree of necessary measure (nationalize or a few regulations or a few closed tax loopholes or no more bailouts?) but they agree that there should be SOMETHING done about the problem
That said, I agree that 99% implies a level of unification and consensus that, on just about all issues, isn't really there.
I agree with the last comment. You couldn't get 99% of the people in this country to agree on the color of a banana peel. So by definition the protesters represent just a few less than they claim, and my guess is that most are filling convenient space because they have varying frustrations in their lives. My fear is that the fundamental problems we face are in danger of never being solved because the tough solutions are of longer term than the average election cycle.
ReplyDeleteworld series.......
ReplyDeleteworld ?!
you are not the world get real
and its only 8.24 in your time.
ReplyDeleteOk... Odd place for that but I'll bite. It was named the WS in the early 1900s, when American's perspective was a bit narrow and really no one else really DID play baseball. But it's just a label, a bit of hyperbole describing sports is nothing new but never hurt anyone, and it doesn't automatically indicate a narrow worldview just to say the event title. Also, hate to break it to you but the Super Bowl has nothing to do with a cereal receptacle.
ReplyDeleteAnd I have to assume you are joking...I didn't design blogger or its time-stamp function.